Charlene Wheeless, principal VP of global corporate affairs at Bechtel, says she is a "peacock among penguins."
"I don't really fit in," she said.
The executive joins news director Frank Washkuch and associate editor Diana Bradley to talk about what it's like to work in an industry mostly run by white men, opening up on how she's succeeded as a black woman and why it's important to take risks.
"When I say my [career] highlight is not being fired yet, that's a very true statement," Wheeless said.
Also on this podcast: the state of the media, why she brought back writing tests for new hires, and what young professionals think of the industry.